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Wednesday, December 3, 2014

AssHats on Parade - Merry Christmas and Kill the Gays Edition

I do not know what to say. Christians who make sounds like Nazis are good? A pastor who calls for the execution of minorities is a Christian?
I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a warrior. It calls my attention to the man who, lonely and surrounded by only a few supporters, recognized what they [the Jews] were, and called for a battle against them, and who, by God, was not the greatest sufferer, but the greatest warrior... - Adolf Hitler

Isaiah and Hitler disagree about the qualities of The Servant of Israel, thought by Christian theologians to be the Christ himself.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces, he was despised, and we held him in low esteem. Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted. - Isaiah 53
I mean, when we consider the qualities we want in a faith or political leader, who are you going to call? Isaiah or Adolf?

Some Rabbis, the guys who can actually read the OT in the original language, say the Pastor is full of shit with that stone the gays and kill the sick stance. More politely than I put it of course. I may be a dirt but am only throwing cake not death by execution.


Jewish law has prohibited intimate relations between two men or two women because intimate relations are traditionally permitted only within the context of marriage, and a societally recognized same-sex union was never an option before our time. It is now, because homosexual relations are no longer considered an abomination. The term תועבה as used in the Torah to describe many proscribed actions, including gay sex, was not absolute but relative to society and time. The halakhic system recognizes that certain realities change through time. The new contemporary reality of a same-sex couple in a recognizable consecrated relationship should be excluded from the Torah’s and subsequent halakhic prohibitions. This “exclusion” is called a mi’ut in halakhic parlance. There are a number of examples where the Rabbis limit, through mi’ut, the application of legislation from the Torah, which we cite in our responsum. However, like heterosexual relations, same-sex relations are permitted in the context of a recognizable consecrated union. Not only does this reflect a changed reality; it also accords with traditional Jewish sexual ethics, especially as articulated by the Rabbinical Assembly in its 1996 Letter on Intimate Relations. Consecrated unions establish the context where sexual intimacy can achieve holiness and be permitted by halakhah. The Torah’s prohibition, then, does not apply in our new context.

In traditional midrashic parlance we might express our argument as follows:
את זכר לא תשכב...תועבה היא. מתי לא תשכב? בזמן שתועבה היא.
“Do not lie with a man...it is an abomination.”
When does the prohibition apply? When it is considered an abomination. However, when societal perceptions have changed and homosexual relations are no longer considered abominations, the prohibition disappears."

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